on irving's imprisonment
murder cannot be hid long;
a man's son may,
but at the length truth will out
(Launcelot, from Shakespeare's Merchant of Venice)
this guy Irving is clearly a prick
no argument there
his partner has been quoted as saying "he's banned from Austria and still went. David doesn't take advice from anyone. He thought it was a bit of fun, to provoke a little bit."
clearly the actions of an arrogance beyond the pale of the average sound mind
but i'm dismayed
the holocaust is, to say the least, a delicate issue
especially if you're a nazi-apologist that questions its extent
but you can't (or shouldn't be able to, for you clearly can) throw people in prison for their opinions or beliefs, just because they jar with the common sensibility
imprisoning someone because they deny that an event took place does nothing but serve to promote the untruths they purvey and elevate the individual in question to the level of martyr in the eyes of his or her followers
denying the holocaust took place is insensitive, but can hardly be classed as incitement to hatred or "glorification" or any of those current hot-phrases
the extreme far-right, anti-semites, racists: they will always believe what they want, and self-delusion is essential when your beliefs are contradicted by morality and fact
sending this decrepit mouth-piece for the dark-side of western civilisation to prison suggests that his lies are a threat to our world
which they aren't
his audience is a willing one and need little convincing
if they don't deny, they'll justify, and so the way to challenge their position is not to treat them as a threat but to ensure that the truth remains unavoidably present in any discussion of the issue
the "truth will out", and with regards the holocaust it already has
lying about it at this stage is an act of petulance that only becomes dangerous if we begin to take it seriously enough to challenge it in court
what's next?
if we can prosecute and imprison based on opinion, no matter how wrong or inaccurate that opinion may be, we're going down a very dark road indeed
a man's son may,
but at the length truth will out
(Launcelot, from Shakespeare's Merchant of Venice)
this guy Irving is clearly a prick
no argument there
his partner has been quoted as saying "he's banned from Austria and still went. David doesn't take advice from anyone. He thought it was a bit of fun, to provoke a little bit."
clearly the actions of an arrogance beyond the pale of the average sound mind
but i'm dismayed
the holocaust is, to say the least, a delicate issue
especially if you're a nazi-apologist that questions its extent
but you can't (or shouldn't be able to, for you clearly can) throw people in prison for their opinions or beliefs, just because they jar with the common sensibility
imprisoning someone because they deny that an event took place does nothing but serve to promote the untruths they purvey and elevate the individual in question to the level of martyr in the eyes of his or her followers
denying the holocaust took place is insensitive, but can hardly be classed as incitement to hatred or "glorification" or any of those current hot-phrases
the extreme far-right, anti-semites, racists: they will always believe what they want, and self-delusion is essential when your beliefs are contradicted by morality and fact
sending this decrepit mouth-piece for the dark-side of western civilisation to prison suggests that his lies are a threat to our world
which they aren't
his audience is a willing one and need little convincing
if they don't deny, they'll justify, and so the way to challenge their position is not to treat them as a threat but to ensure that the truth remains unavoidably present in any discussion of the issue
the "truth will out", and with regards the holocaust it already has
lying about it at this stage is an act of petulance that only becomes dangerous if we begin to take it seriously enough to challenge it in court
what's next?
if we can prosecute and imprison based on opinion, no matter how wrong or inaccurate that opinion may be, we're going down a very dark road indeed
posted by Tony at 1:50 p.m.
1 Comments:
I remember a guy being put to death in Ballyfermot for denying Ray Houghton ever scored that goal against Italy in the world cup '94. Apparantly he was 'on the job' when it went in, and up until his execution he claimed all footage was doctored & there was no real evidence it ever took place. So if you ask me, I think our friend got away fairly lightly
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